Reality Factory

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:53 pm**

I sent the following to QOD.

I am a staff member on a project that could benefit the RF community greatly.

The file packer for RF is ok but is rather long winded when it comes to getting the files into it to make them secure.

Phoenix Game Protection System has authorized me to approach you with this offer.

They have an easy to use file packer that offers some extras. It is fast and easy to learn and use. It is also free of charge with custom license for RF if you accept. Reality Factory has allot of promise and is the first open source project that has had this offer made to them. PGPS has been coded already to work with RF.

This tool allows a game to be played and still keeps the files safe from those that might steal the media. It has a point and click interface that is so easy to use a child could do it. Please respond soon and let me know if you want to investigate this amazing offer. PGPS is not on the cutting edge, it is the cutting edge.

I say again that it is totally free if distributed with the RF package. There will be no charge to the RF team or its users.

It is as good as it sounds. The Phoenix team really wants to donate a free version of their program to the RF community. It would be specially licensed for the standard install of RF. The RF user would not have to do a thing to get it to work with RF. All the RF team would have to do is say yes and it would be sent to them free of charge. Then all they would have to do is place the installer for PGPS into the tools folder and post it for dowload on the RF site. That is all they would have to do. Very little time spent and absolutely no money spent.

What are your thoughts on this offer?

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 4:59 pm**

It sounds pretty good. Did you send a copy to QOD to test out?

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:18 pm**

what does it mean by "custom license for RF" what are they wanting to add?
this is the main worry for me, if they have their own spereate licence that allows the user to have the choice to install it or not could be an idea if the licence doesnt go down too well.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:28 pm**

scott wrote:what does it mean by "custom license for RF" what are they wanting to add?
this is the main worry for me, if they have their own spereate licence that allows the user to have the choice to install it or not could be an idea if the licence doesnt go down too well.

That's a good point, Scott. incenseman?

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 7:09 pm**

I am VERY wary about gift horses. What's in it for them ??? There has to be a catch. I am getting very synical in my old age but we need to look very carefully at this before jumping in both feet first. They mention a "custom licence for RF" this does indicate some form of licence for them and the end user. Will the end user have to pay them to install any game made using RF ??? Personally I can't see any benefit for RF so I'm voting NO

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:16 pm**

wait...Phoenix Game Protection System...that reminds me... wasn't there a member of the RF community who called his firm Pheonix media?

I, like scott, would want to see its license first. If it somehow conflicts with the RF license we have a problem. Let's say the PGPS will be a part of RF, does that make the owners of the PGPS somehow owners of RF (as RF belongs to no-one currently, i think) ? I would not like that. But if let's say the license is so that it says "If the PGPS is used outside of RealityFactory, we will charge you blabla..." (i mean, it's costing money to use it 'normally', but with RF it's free) and it is clearly said that those two are owned by seperate people/companies/communities, i would have no problem with that.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 8:54 pm**

In the world of software a "license" could be anything that you want. In this case it is merely a note that says that the copy that is given to RF is subject to copywright and that it is the intellectual property of the creator. That kind of stuff.

There is no catch. The PGPS team just wants to add their work into something where inde game designers can use it and have a chance to protect their work as well as the big guys. After all don't we have a right to? That was Phoenix Game Protections original intent. It was created to answer the call of the inde game community to help keep their media out of the hands of people that would use it as their own. It does an amazing job of it to.

It doesn't hurt that the Phoenix name would be on it. Thats all that they get out of it. I would hardly call that a catch though. The games that you create will not be watermarked or have anything during play that would lessen the quality of your creation.

If you have any tech questions you can ask them at: http://www.phoenix-sentry.com/contact.php

The forum is brand new and so is the software. Both have been put throught the ringer before being launched. If you register at the Phoenix forum you can talk directly to the creators of the product.

http://www.phoenix-sentry.com/forums/

Hope to see some new faces there soon.

Here is the license as it is. The Pheonix team has also said that they will taylor a license that will fit your needs as a community. That means that you have a say in what the license says and means. You can't beat that.

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Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 9:23 pm**

RF already has a packer which is password protected. So why do we need a commercial package ? RF is totally free
and not tied in any way to commercialsim. If you want to sell your game and don't trust our own packer you can always go to them and buy their product.
At the moment half price $24.99 introductory offer.
What they are offering is a free trial. In the licence they say you can't even give your game away for free.

Quote:

11. Trial License. You may use the Trial License version of the Program to evaluate the software's capabilities only. You may not distribute the program itself or any derivative works produced with the software for any purpose free, commercial or otherwise. This means that you may not distribute games packaged (processed) with Phoenix Game Protection for any purpose even if it is freeware.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:14 pm**

bernie: you didnt read it well enough. There is a version called "Standard". It is not a trial or beta. It is a stand alone free application that locks up your files tight as a drum. It is allot wasier to use than the one that RF comes with. It can pack the entire game all at once and has more options and tools and toys than the current RF packer. It takes less than half the time to secure my game using PGPS than it does with RFvfs.exe. With PGPS I just tell it what folder to pack up and then click the button and it is all done at once.

You also missed the part of my post that say:

The Pheonix team has also said that they will taylor a license that will fit your needs as a community. That means that you have a say in what the license says and means. You can't beat that.

I invite anyone to get the free standard version and try it.

Go here to get it:
http://www.phoenix-sentry.com/downloads ... 583f187af7

Then you can make up your own minds. Then no one can tell you what the story is because you will know. You will have a working copy and you will have paid nothing to get it. No time limits no file size restrictions.

I will tell you outright not to listen to me about the quality of the product. See for yourself.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:40 pm**

what happens if i i want to pusblish my game, or sell it? Do i have to pay something? sorry for being over-crittical, but i would like to have everything sorted out before i try the program. (At the end i like it so much and then i cannot publish the game because i cannot pay the program)

13. Distribution. This software installer and/or the software as extracted may NOT be re-distributed without the prior written permission from David N. Goodman (Phoenix Sentry). This applies to all editions, versions and builds.

This counts for the software i have, i guess? The client has another software, i guess (one that doesn't allow him to access my game data)? If this does apply to the client-software too, then there might be a problem, since the player cannot play teh game without having the client software. And if i just gave it to them i would be breaking the rules of the license. Again, the question is if i have to pay something if i want to publish the game or sell it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:42 pm**

Please remember:

The Pheonix team has also said that they will taylor a license that will fit your needs as a community. That means that you have a say in what the license says and means. You can't beat that.

13. Distribution. This software installer and/or the software as extracted may NOT be re-distributed without the prior written permission from David N. Goodman (Phoenix Sentry). This applies to all editions, versions and builds.

That is refering to the PGPS program not the games that you make with it.

You cannot redistribute the PGPS program as it is extracted in any form.

If you make a game and pack it up with PGPS that is different.

I am inquiring to the PGPS team as to the details and expect an answer soon.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 10:49 pm**

ah ok. so this is wait and see, then...

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:00 pm**

I just got word that if you use the Standard version of PGPS to protect your games, you can indeed sell your games any way you like.

The other file packer can be left in the RF tools folder. No one is trying to force you to use a certian piece of software and nothing else. Were not Microsoft. LOL!!

A sense of humor. Never get on the net without it.

Posted: **Mon Sep 17, 2007 11:22 pm**

steven8 wrote:It sounds pretty good. Did you send a copy to QOD to test out?

I have not sent a copy of the program to QOD. It is free for DL though on the Pheonix site. I posted the link above.

OOOps!! Sorry for the double post folks.

My bad!!

Posted: **Tue Sep 18, 2007 12:06 am**

i have just had an idea, if they are willing to customize it then i think i got a solution for everyone, if its just going to be an .exe like the current rfpacker, then to have a customizable licence stating that it is completely free to use with rf only, have their licence agreement seperate to the rf's onstall licence, and every time they start their application the licence comes up with it, this keeps it seperate from the rf licence that can continue as it is, also a good clause to have in the licence is that it does not effect rf in anyway, this would put my mind at ease.

my thought behind this idea is that for those who download rf they wont be fritend off with this new licence agreement and means that if they never use this packer they dont need to know about the licene while ensureing that every time the packer is started everyone is fully awear of the licence agreement in case they have ideas about using for anything else.

maybe also having a line of code somewhere in rf that the packer searches for to make sure it is only used for rf, or even the packer searches for something unique already in RF's code.

what you think?

*edit*
i do belive this would be a good thing in rf, people recently have been complining about getting rf packer to work, it is old and could possibly mean its easy to hack so making a bit pointless, the speed increase and functions sound cool, will probably give it a spin soon see what its like.

Reality Factory

A new secure file packer for RF that is free.

A new secure file packer for RF that is free.